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A Bold Conversation with the Top U.S. Sex Worker (Part 2)

A Bold Conversation with the Top U.S. Sex Worker (Part 2)

The conversation you’re about to listen to is bold. Bulldog bold. Tenaciously truthful. 

As I listen to myself sharing the gospel with the most successful sex worker in the U.S., I think, Who is that talking?! (Communicating truth in love comes easily for me, but sharing boldly does not.)

You can listen to part 2 of our conversation here

You Can Be This Bold Too (Please Do!) 

I tell you this not to brag, but to make sure you understand that I was not this bold on my own. I’ve been reading the book of Acts recently, and part 2 of this podcast makes me think of Acts 4:13, 

“Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus.”

What turns timid people like you and me into bold bulldogs for the faith? There is only One who can accomplish such a feat: the Spirit of Jesus in us. This is a regular theme in the books of Acts. Whenever Jesus’ disciples are filled with the Holy Spirit, this is the result: they speak the Word of God with boldness:

“And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness” (Acts 4:31). 

This boldness is not just for the twelve apostles who knew Jesus face-to-face and performed miracles in His name. It is also for all who are filled with Jesus’ Spirit in 2020. It is for you and for me.  

This boldness is not just for special occasions like podcast conversations. It is also for ordinary, everyday interactions with neighbors. 

The elders at my church often remind us that “whatever God is going to do, He will do through all His people.” Not only through those with a microphone, but through every man, woman, and child who is filled with the Spirit. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit wants to use your life and mouth to grow His Church? (He does!) 

Pray for Bold Lips 

In this interview, Alice mentions the need for consent before boldly sharing with someone, but the apostles had the opposite experience. They were commanded “not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus” (Acts 4:18). So did they shut their lips? Nope, they opened them first in prayer: 

“. . . And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness” (v. 29). 

What was the result? 

“And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness” (v. 31). 

If the early church prayed for bold lips, how much more should we? Will you join me in praying that we will: 

  • Be bold witnesses to Jesus’ resurrection (Acts 2:32),
  • Exhibit this boldness every day (Acts 5:42),
  • See many added to the church every day, including Alice (Acts 2:47). 

Please note: Boldness does not mean we are jerks. Jesus was full of grace and truth (John 1:14), and the same is true of all of His followers who are filled with His Spirit (Acts 6:8). 

A Bold Conversation with the Top U.S. Sex Worker

In Part 2, here are the five statements Alice and I respond to: 

  1. “It is loving to warn someone who is seducing others to sin.” 
  2. “People should not feel shame for exploring their sexual desires.”
  3. “Intimacy is beautiful no matter the sexual expression.”
  4. “We are accountable to God for every thought, word, and action.” 
  5. “Sin can suppress people’s consciences so that they no longer experience guilt.” 

I’d love to hear from you after you listen to part 2. What stood out to you? Also, which comes easier for you in conversations with people who don’t know Jesus? Grace or truth? Love or boldness? 

PS: If you enjoyed this conversation, check out part 1 here. Also, to help the podcast get more exposure, would you leave a positive review of the podcast on Apple podcasts? Thanks for your support of this important gospel work!

My Conversation with a Sex Worker (Part 1)

My Conversation with a Sex Worker (Part 1)

You Want Me to Talk with a Sex Worker?

A few months ago, I received an email from Greg Sukert of Anchored North. He wanted to know if I would be willing to have a conversation with a sex worker on their new podcast, Honest Discourse, Why me? was literally my first question back to him. I’m no expert in the sex industry. 

He said their organization spent a good deal of time researching women who:

  • have written on the topic of biblical sexuality, 
  • can convey truth in love, 
  • have friendly, conversational characteristics in their spoken words. 

I was nervous, but I couldn’t say no to an opportunity to hear a sex worker’s perspective as well as to clearly articulate the gospel to her. And so I said yes, not realizing I would be speaking not just with any sex worker, but with the most successful sex worker in the U.S. (In the process, I learned that prostitutes are now called sex workers, and brothels are referred to as ranches.)

You can listen to the podcast here

My Four-Hour Conversation with Alice

My fears eased as I began to talk with Alice. While her views on intimacy are cheap and saddening, I genuinely like her. As you’ll hear in this podcast, she’s articulate and gracious. 

We spent a total of four hours together, because the audio for our first two-hour conversation was lost. Here’s what you’ll hear in our two-part conversation. In Part 1, we introduce ourselves and then respond to these five statements:

  1. Sex is the greatest pleasure in life.
  2. Sex creates a bond that is lasting and profound.
  3. Lonely singles have the right to companionship.
  4. God designed sex for marriage alone. 
  5. Sex work is good work.

Remember as you listen to this podcast that this is not a debate. If you get to the end of this podcast and ask, “Did Alice win or did Paula win,” you’ll be asking the wrong question. The whole point of this podcast was to have an authentic, loving, gospel conversation between two people with polarizing viewpoints. 

That is possible, by the way! And so needed. I pray our conversation emboldens you to get to know–and lovingly share truth–with people who seem scary because their worldview is so different from yours.

Part 2 Of “Sex Worker and Christian Author” Coming Soon

Our conversation really heats up (in a good way) in Part 2. To be sure you don’t miss it, type your email in the box to the right under “Don’t Miss a Post!” I’ll send Part 2 directly to your inbox when Anchored North releases it later this summer. 

I’m really grateful for the opportunity to have talked not just with any sex worker, but specifically with Alice. Would you join me in praying for her? I sent her a note, chocolate bar, Bible, and book (The Love of Loves in the Song of Songs by Philip Ryken) after our conversations, as she told me she would read Jesus’ words. 

Also, to help the podcast get more exposure, would you leave a positive review of the podcast on Apple podcasts? Thanks for your support of this important gospel work! 

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